Date: May. 8th, 2007 08:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peteralway.livejournal.com
And so with a mighty bonk did Fflo let go
A swing at the speeding ball did fall
Against the furious breeze to trees
To score a big home run for fun

Date: May. 9th, 2007 04:04 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
Well I did get ahold of a few dingers, by our definition for the day, but the picture is, indeed, as [livejournal.com profile] shmizla pegged it below, [livejournal.com profile] bigfinedaddy.

I like your rhyme scheme. 'Tweren't much breeze, by the by, in the fact of that afternoon, but 'breeze' and 'trees' are right up there with 'Sodom' and 'bottom,' you know?

Home runs are fascist, and power corrupts, but it is fun to hit the ball a long way.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 08:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peteralway.livejournal.com
Home runs stand for fascism, foul balls are insincere, and the outfielders are kindly but they're dumb.
Quarterbacks are skeptical of changes in their cages, And the goalkeeper is very fond of rum.
Forwards are reactionaries, referees are missionaries, umpires plot in secrecy,
and catchers turn on frequently. What a gas! You gotta come and see at the game.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
So you DO use psychedelics, P! And you claim such sobriety.

Or could it really come naturally to you?

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peteralway.livejournal.com
Wait--you mean it doesn't come naturally to you?

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
all TOO naturally, Pete!

Date: May. 9th, 2007 03:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] peteralway.livejournal.com
Oh, dear. I mentioned that home runs are fascist on #filkhaven, and now the songwriters are all ruminating on the words "Babe Hitler." And the Loisville Panzers. I did not mean any harm. Honest.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
let us not forget that there are fascisms a-plenty, outside the nazis

Date: May. 9th, 2007 12:38 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
isn't this our good old BFD?? nice form!

Date: May. 9th, 2007 04:05 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
yep, it's her---and nice form indeedy! i'm flattered if peter thought 'twas me.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
well, ya two grand ol' ladies are both about good form, n'est-ce pas?

Date: May. 9th, 2007 12:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
but of course! good banter is for formalists. [that should be a t-shirt:]

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
isn't 'formalist' a dirty word?

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
hell no! i mean, provided you're a good one.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
i guess that's the dividing line with a lot of those thingies, hunh

:)

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
s'pose it is! you could be a good historicist-formalist. those are the best kind.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 02:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
what about being ahistorical? i've seen that one flung around. didn't look good. pretty sure, after your report from up north, that i don't want to be a womanist feminist.

tell me about historicist-formalists. or historicism-formalism.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
that's like me :). or like anyone else who thinks about form, but also thinks about what form meant in a certain historical period.

so, for example, how it feels "natural" for history to be in prose, although it need not be. how it used to be "natural" to read poetry, and not so any longer. how we now think that narrative is incompatible with verse, and that certainly wasn't true 200 years ago.

verse was the way to do narrative among the "classics," especially if you wanted anyone to remember the story, because rhyme is a mnemonic device, after all.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 06:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
i think i'm following you here.

you remind me of this book i made the library buy, and have at home now (with no competition---i've been able to renew it) --- Signing the Body Poetic: Essays on American Sign Language Literature. night before last i read/watched the chapter on what a "line" is. this burgeoning poetics is kind of exciting to me. and there's this new slam-y ASL poetry going on now, a couple of samples of which rather tickled my fancy. though ella mae lentz's "silence oh painful" had me going through in slo-mo trying to get at individual signs (that was one of the ones with no subtitles, and even though it's simple and she's one of those classic here-you-go-you-hearing-newbie signers, i don't understand so much).

anyway... must back to work & not a good time to try to get into it, or even get my head back to that stuff. but prose v. poetry, fer instance, is kind of a laugh in signed "liter"ature.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 07:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
this sounds very cool. i'd be curious to know what a "line" is in that kind of visual.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 07:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
well, nobody knows. they're just thinking about it so far.

i was a bit disappointed that wm carlos w's "a line is a unit of attention" idea didn't make it into the what-hearing-writers-have-said part. seems like that one might translate.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
it does indeed. wonder what people who use asl think about the categories used to describe the language, it they think they could come up with better ones. if their language is not just a language.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 05:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
ahistoricist=really bad.

that's about people who don't remember what happened, especially if it happened to others. if it happened to them, they pretend not to remember, because they "move on" (as they are encouraged to do).

Date: May. 9th, 2007 05:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
ah... no wonder i'm confused

Date: May. 9th, 2007 07:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
but of course--you're supposed to know history, but only the permitted kind. as soon as you remember anything that doesn't fit, we have to think about whether we like that or not.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 07:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
worse, i read you wrong before & thought ahistorical good, ahistoricist bad. ha!

Date: May. 9th, 2007 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
womanist feminist = the feminist who thinks that women have the special "sense" for injustice because they are women. the implication is that all women have the same interests and the same troubles and the same goals.

this we know (historically, empirically) not to be true.

this is also why the word "feminist," which was originally used by the white women of america, is not the most attractive one to, for instance, the women of color, because it conjures up that kind of women's movement that presumes to talk for everyone when it doesn't even know who's out there (or pretends not to know). but it's an attractive option if you want to "build communities" and try to sound inclusive; long-term, however, it's very fishy.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 03:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] bigfinedaddy.livejournal.com
The fact that you just referred to me as "our good old BFD" just made me grin from ear to ear.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
that is really good to hear, my friend

hey, and you have good form!

Date: May. 9th, 2007 05:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shmizla.livejournal.com
oh, i'm so glad! :)

Date: May. 9th, 2007 01:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queerbychoice.livejournal.com
Oh well, it seems that you are a jock after all. At least, I certainly don't hang around in cages of that sort.

In elementary school when we used to be forced to play those games, I always intentionally struck out. I did this intentionally because I could never remember whether first base was to the left or the right, and after you get beyond a certain age, teachers assume everyone knows that stuff already so they don't bother explaining it. A few times I bothered asking people while I was waiting for my turn at bat, but this resulted in such aghast reactions from my teammates that I soon figured out that it was much easier to just intentionally strike out all the time than to ask people or to take a guess and risk running the wrong direction.

Date: May. 9th, 2007 01:56 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kohkae.livejournal.com
Hey! Batter, Batter!
Hey, Batter, Batter!
Hey! Batter! Batter!...
SWING!

Date: May. 9th, 2007 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fflo.livejournal.com
and CRACK! she got ahold of that one... and it's in the air, not bouncing off her foot... and up and up and .... yes! over the green astroturf roof of the chicken wire hut with the pitching machines in it, and it's GONE!

(the calls at the cages lack just a little of the detail of the real thing)
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