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Re: history

[fflo.livejournal.com]

Then one wonders why you're struggling... perhaps in your heart of hearts you know things are not equitable, and that not only are people still disadvantaged in many circumstances by virtue of mere demographic-type characteristics (around which centuries of oppression have been perpetuated) but also that other people are, consequently and necessarily, advantaged by virtue of not having those characteristics (and their consequent history, yes, but very much present-day advantaged daily lives).

If you yourself are a "white" male American of moderate or better means, it may be harder for you to get the whole picture, simply because it's harder to perceive how one is advantaged than how one is disadvantaged.

Hey, why not vote "NO" if you're not sure? Just in case it's very important that we keep options going in this discussion? You know, err on the safe side. If you want reasons, you could try a little googling. There are many great points articulated out there.

Re: history

[mrfrog.livejournal.com]

At work we've been Googling and discussing this issue all morning.
It's rather complicated.

I may just err on the safe side like you said.
I'm going to whack the doves tho... ;)

Re: history

[fflo.livejournal.com]

are you serious? perhaps it's not so nice to meet you after all.

Re: history

[mrfrog.livejournal.com]

No I'm not serious.

I don't even hunt.

Re: history

[fflo.livejournal.com]

phew!

yeah, that one's really mean-spirited, ain't it?

Re: history

[mrfrog.livejournal.com]

When Granholm signed HB 5029 into law, animal protection groups cried foul: "Governor Granholm has gone back on her word to veto dove hunting legislation, and has signed a death warrant for millions of gentle mourning doves in Michigan," said Fund for Animals President Michael Markarian, now also an executive vice president with The HSUS. "It is absolutely appalling that she has thumbed her nose at Michigan voters, and that she is personally responsible for allowing the bird of peace to be blasted into pieces."

Found Here: http://www.hsus.org/wildlife/issues_facing_wildlife/hunting/restore_michigans_dove_shooting_ban.html

I'm a member of HSUS, they've been all over this for a couple months now.

Truth is, Granholm WAS against the bill, but they had so many votes for the bill that they would have overridden Granholms veto. So rather than waste tax payer money by vetoing, she put it into a sunset clause... which is where we are today with it.

Re: history

[fflo.livejournal.com]

Now I didn't know that whole part of the story. I have a co-worker who campaigned against the dove hunting a while back, until word came down that we oughtn't be doing that sort of thing around here.

Nothing like a little election-related bamboozling, hunh. Shows to go you you've got to do yer research.